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Onigiri Drop[]

All enemies have a chance of dropping Onigiri. Should we include it in every single Enemy drop, or should we write a statement in the Enemy page saying that all enemies drop Onigiris? --bewnt 00:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I think we should put that in the Enemy page, but "big" enemies in Hill Country sometimes drop 2 Onigiris. I've tested it. No, It was not another enemy behind it. We should mention that in their pages. Bildramer 14:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Has testing been done to show whether Big enemies can drop exactly one onigiri? We know it can drop 0 or 2, but 1? I'm thinking of the best way to incorporate it into the individual enemy page (best would be to write "2 Onigiris", but might be confusing). --bewnt 15:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Range of Sight[]

Is there a way to find out the "range of sight" from enemies? (What I mean with that is that when you step into the Range of Sight of an enemy, it chases you and attacks.) --Yonder 22:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, is there a Range of Sight for stickman characters? --Yonder 22:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

First, range of sight belongs to the Character page, under Artificial Intelligence. Secondly, yes we do need to find the range of sight, and see if there's any correlation with weapon range. Thirdly, stickmen have no range of sight because they do not move (a stickman moving towards an enemy = suicidal). --bewnt 03:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

They, in my opinion, do have a Range Of Sight (the characters). When enemies are far away, they will stand. If an enemy gets close, the stickmen attack. Also, is it needed to find the Range of Sight for enemies?--Yonder 17:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I was saying that unarmed characters (i.e. stickmen) do NOT have a range of sight. As for armed characters, I feel that it's them that has the Range of Sight, as opposed to enemies having range of sight. Still need research though. --bewnt 00:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I've got it figured out. The formula is as such: add 200 to the range of the weapon of the character. This is its range of sight: any enemy within this radius will trigger autowalk (whether the radius is rectangular or circular doesn't really matter since the screen height is around 250px). --bewnt 10:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I still think we all need some more research on this until we actually insert this into the page.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonder (talk • contribs)

You do notice when there is an enemy far away from your group of characters right? As the enemy gets closer, you notice that the Magicians and Snipers autowalk first, before the Gladiator and Boxer. The above theory explains it. --bewnt 03:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I got it. The Range of Sight of Characters is 175 pixels + their range. I tested it with 10 times dragging the stickmen until they react. I am very sure this is accurate. --Yonder 18:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I think every enemy has its own range. Cyan Smiley Walkers attack you only when you're near them (10-20?), but the Blue X Walker can attack from a distance (50-200?) and Mushrooms attack every time they're hit (Infinite?). I'll try to search *ahem*NOT USE, JUST LOOK AT*ahem* the source code. Bildramer 13:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated:

The stage array lists not only the enemy count, but also the positions and/or group sizes.

Most colors in the game and the wiki are 1 pixel darker than in the source code.

Every information we aren't sure about can be found in lists.

There are 116 items/weapons (with nothing, coin, onigiri, NG).

I didn't find anything about ranges :(

Attack Information[]

We should try looking into attack information and adding it to each article. This doesn't just include damage or attack type, but whether it has a single attack, several bullets, whether they are spikes or small bcolorful balls and such.--Sand master 18:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

That would be a nice project to embark on. By the way, number of bullets already has representation in the articles (there is a multiply sign behind the attack number signifying bullet count). Also, we need to find the sight range of the enemies, the activation attack range of enemies (range needed to activate attacks), attack speed as well as attack range (distance bullet travels). It is also important to take note of affection by gravity (eg. needles are barely/not affected by gravity, but balls are). --bewnt 01:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

So, what you mean, is create an article including all possible attacks, attack styles, etc? If yes, we need to change the enemy template to include the facts you just stated (Range of Sight, etc). --Yonder 19:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course we'll have to change the template to include all the information. I'll see how I can work on it, though it's going to be tough because of all the neccessary research. --bewnt 01:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have the basic attack page up thanks to Yonder, and all we need now is some extensive research, which will not be too difficult as we already know the min and max damage and their attack 'type,' making this a little bit easier. Only thing we need to do now is incorporate the attack information directly to the enemy page instead of searching for it on the attacks page.--Sand master 03:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Drop Rates from game source[]

The following information are from "Disabled" (see DB forum). I verified Lv, EXP, LP, Gold and Items for every enemy and added our names. I didn't verify the numbers of enemies on each level. But we should do this too.

Green Smiley Walker
Lv: 1 LP: 10 GOLD: 1 EXP: 100 mach punch: 3.33333333333 White Stone: 1.0 
     5xOpening Street_0,  6xOpening Street_1,  6xOpening Street_2,  20xOpening Street_5,  3xOpening Street_7
Cyan Smiley Walker
Lv: 2 LP: 20 GOLD: 3 EXP: 100 iron sword: 5.0 Red Stone: 1.0 
     1xOpening Street_0,  3xOpening Street_1,  2xOpening Street_2,  5xOpening Street_3,  2xOpening Street_4
Red Smiley Walker
Lv: 3 LP: 50 GOLD: 10 EXP: 100 triple shot: 5.0 staff of wood: 5.0 Green Stone: 1.0 
     1xOpening Street_2,  3xOpening Street_3,  5xOpening Street_4,  8xOpening Street_6,  8xOpening Street_7,  8xOpening Street_8,  2xOpening Street_9
Blue X Walker
Lv: 4 LP: 40 GOLD: 15 EXP: 100 explosion: 5.0 Blue Stone: 1.0 
     1xOpening Street_6,  2xOpening Street_7,  1xOpening Street_8,  2xOpening Street_8,  3xOpening Street_8,  2xOpening Street_9
Grey Boss Smiley Walker
Lv: 5 LP: 500 GOLD: 100 EXP: 500 triple shot: 33.3333333333 mach punch: 5.0 
     1xOpening Street_9
Green Skull Snake     
Lv: 5 LP: 50 GOLD: 10 EXP: 100 poison arrow: 3.33333333333 Black Stone: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 1_0,  2xGrassland 1_0,  3xGrassland 1_0,  6xGrassland 1_1,  6xGrassland 1_2,  12xGrassland 1_3,  6xGrassland 1_4,  1xGrassland 1_7,  6xGrassland 1_7
Grey Smiley Snake
Lv: 6 LP: 80 GOLD: 20 EXP: 100 ice: 5.0 Red Crystal: 1.0 
     2xGrassland 1_1,  4xGrassland 1_2,  2xGrassland 1_4,  2xGrassland 1_4,  3xGrassland 1_5,  3xGrassland 1_5,  4xGrassland 1_6
Red Skull Snake
Lv: 7 LP: 90 GOLD: 30 EXP: 100 fire sword: 5.0 Yellow Crystal: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 1_4,  2xGrassland 1_5,  3xGrassland 1_6
Green Boss Skull Snake     
Lv: 8 LP: 200 GOLD: 30 EXP: 200 thunder glove: 10.0 Quick's Card: 1.0 
     12xGrassland 1_7
White Skull Bat
Lv: 8 LP: 60 GOLD: 30 EXP: 100 fire glove: 5.0 Silver Crystal: 1.0 
     2xGrassland 2_0,  3xGrassland 2_1,  5xGrassland 2_2,  3xGrassland 2_3,  3xGrassland 2_5,  3xGrassland 2_6,  5xGrassland 2_7
Orange Smiley Walker
Lv: 9 LP: 120 GOLD: 30 EXP: 100 double arrow: 5.0 Black Crystal: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 2_0,  1xGrassland 2_0,  1xGrassland 2_0,  1xGrassland 2_1,  3xGrassland 2_1,  2xGrassland 2_1,  1xGrassland 2_2,  1xGrassland 2_2,  2xGrassland 2_3,  3xGrassland 2_3,  3xGrassland 2_4,  3xGrassland 2_4,  3xGrassland 2_4,  8xGrassland 2_5,  4xGrassland 2_5,  8xGrassland 2_6,  3xGrassland 2_7
Purple X Walker
Lv: 10 LP: 110 GOLD: 40 EXP: 100 fire: 5.0 White Stone: 1.0 
     2xGrassland 2_3,  3xGrassland 2_4,  5xGrassland 2_6,  3xGrassland 2_7,  2xGrassland 2_8
Orange Skull Bat
Lv: 11 LP: 110 GOLD: 50 EXP: 200 thunder sword: 5.0 Black Stone: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 2_5,  1xGrassland 2_6,  3xGrassland 2_7,  2xGrassland 2_8
Grey Boss Skull Bat
Lv: 12 LP: 500 GOLD: 200 EXP: 800 thunder sword: 5.0 Long Sword's Card: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 2_8
Green Skull Dragon
Lv: 10 LP: 90 GOLD: 40 EXP: 150 long staff: 5.0 Ruby: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 3_0,  1xGrassland 3_0,  1xGrassland 3_1,  1xGrassland 3_1,  3xGrassland 3_2,  1xGrassland 3_3,  1xGrassland 3_3,  1xGrassland 3_3,  3xGrassland 3_5,  3xGrassland 3_6,  3xGrassland 3_6,  3xGrassland 3_6
Green Smiley Snake
Lv: 10 LP: 200 GOLD: 40 EXP: 150 Sapphire: 1.0 
     3xGrassland 3_0,  3xGrassland 3_1,  3xGrassland 3_2,  9xGrassland 3_4,  6xGrassland 3_5,  6xGrassland 3_7,  3xGrassland 3_8,  3xGrassland 3_8
Green Skull Bat
Lv: 11 LP: 140 GOLD: 50 EXP: 150 Topaz: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 3_1,  3xGrassland 3_2,  6xGrassland 3_3,  3xGrassland 3_5,  3xGrassland 3_7,  3xGrassland 3_7
Red Skull Dragon
Lv: 12 LP: 160 GOLD: 60 EXP: 150 Emerald: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 3_4,  1xGrassland 3_5,  2xGrassland 3_6,  3xGrassland 3_7
Orange Boss Skull Dragon
Lv: 14 LP: 800 GOLD: 300 EXP: 1000 Catapult's Card: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 3_8
Blue Fairy Snake
Lv: 10 LP: 180 GOLD: 40 EXP: 100 Peridot: 1.0 
     5xGrassland 4_0,  10xGrassland 4_1,  15xGrassland 4_2,  5xGrassland 4_3,  5xGrassland 4_3,  10xGrassland 4_4,  10xGrassland 4_5,  5xGrassland 4_6,  3xGrassland 4_6,  2xGrassland 4_7,  6xGrassland 4_7
Grey X Walker
Lv: 10 LP: 140 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 staff of thunder: 5.0 Aquamarine: 1.0 
     3xGrassland 4_4,  2xGrassland 4_5,  3xGrassland 4_6
Red Fairy Snake
Lv: 12 LP: 220 GOLD: 60 EXP: 200 Garnet: 1.0 
     1xGrassland 4_3,  1xGrassland 4_5,  1xGrassland 4_5,  3xGrassland 4_6
Blue Boss Fairy Snake
Lv: 14 LP: 330 GOLD: 200 EXP: 300 Pierce's Card: 1.0 
     12xGrassland 4_7
Green Smiley Tree
Lv: 11 LP: 200 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 poison glove: 3.33333333333 
     6xGrassland 5_0,  8xGrassland 5_1,  2xGrassland 5_2,  2xGrassland 5_2,  2xGrassland 5_2,  6xGrassland 5_3,  9xGrassland 5_4,  9xGrassland 5_5,  12xGrassland 5_6,  3xGrassland 5_8
Pink Skull Snake
Lv: 11 LP: 180 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 ice sword: 5.0 
     3xGrassland 5_1,  6xGrassland 5_2,  6xGrassland 5_3,  3xGrassland 5_6,  3xGrassland 5_7,  3xGrassland 5_7,  3xGrassland 5_7,  3xGrassland 5_8
Orange Smiley Tree
Lv: 13 LP: 250 GOLD: 70 EXP: 200 fire arrow: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 5_4,  1xGrassland 5_5,  1xGrassland 5_5,  1xGrassland 5_5,  2xGrassland 5_6,  2xGrassland 5_6,  6xGrassland 5_7,  3xGrassland 5_8
Red Boss Smiley Tree
Lv: 15 LP: 1000 GOLD: 300 EXP: 500 thunder: 5.0 Guide's Card: 5.0 
     3xGrassland 5_8
Grey Smiley Tree (GL6)
Lv: 12 LP: 220 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 
     5xGrassland 6_0,  5xGrassland 6_1,  5xGrassland 6_2,  5xGrassland 6_4,  9xGrassland 6_5,  9xGrassland 6_5
Green Fairy Bat
Lv: 12 LP: 160 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 
     1xGrassland 6_0,  1xGrassland 6_1,  1xGrassland 6_1,  1xGrassland 6_1,  5xGrassland 6_3,  3xGrassland 6_4,  5xGrassland 6_6,  5xGrassland 6_7
Orange Fairy Bat
Lv: 14 LP: 210 GOLD: 80 EXP: 200 staff of ice: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 6_2,  1xGrassland 6_2,  1xGrassland 6_2,  1xGrassland 6_3,  1xGrassland 6_3,  1xGrassland 6_3,  2xGrassland 6_4,  5xGrassland 6_6,  2xGrassland 6_7,  2xGrassland 6_7
Purple Boss Smiley Tree
Lv: 16 LP: 1600 GOLD: 300 EXP: 1000 Bullet's Card: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 6_7
Grey Smiley Tree (GL7)
Lv: 13 LP: 240 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 freeze glove: 5.0 
     3xGrassland 7_1,  3xGrassland 7_2,  5xGrassland 7_3,  5xGrassland 7_5,  8xGrassland 7_6
Green Smiley Wheel
Lv: 12 LP: 120 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 long sword: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 7_0,  2xGrassland 7_0,  1xGrassland 7_1,  2xGrassland 7_1,  2xGrassland 7_1,  2xGrassland 7_2,  3xGrassland 7_2,  8xGrassland 7_4,  2xGrassland 7_6,  3xGrassland 7_6,  3xGrassland 7_7
Yellow Smiley Wheel
Lv: 14 LP: 180 GOLD: 80 EXP: 200 triple arrow: 5.0 freeze: 3.33333333333 
     2xGrassland 7_3,  1xGrassland 7_4,  2xGrassland 7_4,  4xGrassland 7_5,  3xGrassland 7_5,  4xGrassland 7_6,  3xGrassland 7_7
Orange Boss Smiley Wheel
Lv: 16 LP: 1200 GOLD: 400 EXP: 1000 Explosion's Card: 5.0 
     1xGrassland 7_7
White Skull Stickman
Lv: 14 LP: 200 GOLD: 60 EXP: 100 needle glove: 2.5 Diamond: 1.0 
     10xCastle gate_0,  1xCastle gate_1,  15xCastle gate_1,  15xCastle gate_2,  15xCastle gate_3,  10xCastle gate_4
Red Skull Stickman
Lv: 15 LP: 240 GOLD: 90 EXP: 200 quad arrow: 5.0 
     1xCastle gate_0,  1xCastle gate_1,  1xCastle gate_3,  1xCastle gate_3,  1xCastle gate_3,  2xCastle gate_4,  2xCastle gate_4,  3xCastle gate_5
Orange Smiley Wheel
Lv: 14 LP: 160 GOLD: 60 EXP: 100 lightsaber: 5.0 
     1xCastle gate_2,  1xCastle gate_2,  1xCastle gate_2,  5xCastle gate_4
Sub-Castle Boss
Lv: 16 LP: 2000 GOLD: 500 EXP: 1000 blizzard: 5.0 Critical's Card: 5.0 
     1xCastle gate_5
Castle Boss
Lv: 20 LP: 5000 GOLD: 1000 EXP: 1000 Vampire's Card: 33.3333333333 ONIGIRI's Card: 5.0 
     0xCastle_0,  1xCastle_1
UNKOWN_AND_UNUSED_ENEMY
Lv: 0 LP: 0 GOLD: 0 EXP: 0 
Green Big Smiley Walker    
Lv: 10 LP: 900 GOLD: 30 EXP: 1000 onigiri: 100.0 
     1xHill country 1_0,  1xHill country 1_1,  1xHill country 1_2,  2xHill country 1_3,  3xHill country 1_4,  3xHill country 1_5
Green Smiley Walker (HC1)
Lv: 10 LP: 90 GOLD: 30 EXP: 100 
     3xHill country 1_0,  6xHill country 1_1,  9xHill country 1_4,  9xHill country 1_5
Brown X Walker
Lv: 11 LP: 120 GOLD: 40 EXP: 200 
     6xHill country 1_2,  5xHill country 1_3,  6xHill country 1_5,  6xHill country 1_6
White Boss X Walker
Lv: 13 LP: 900 GOLD: 200 EXP: 1000 
     1xHill country 1_6
Blue Big Skull Bat
Lv: 11 LP: 600 GOLD: 40 EXP: 1000 onigiri: 100.0 
     1xHill country 2_0,  1xHill country 2_1,  1xHill country 2_2,  2xHill country 2_3,  3xHill country 2_4,  2xHill country 2_5,  2xHill country 2_6
Blue Skull Bat
Lv: 11 LP: 90 GOLD: 40 EXP: 100 
     3xHill country 2_0,  5xHill country 2_1,  6xHill country 2_4,  6xHill country 2_5
Green Skull Tree
Lv: 12 LP: 230 GOLD: 40 EXP: 100 
     5xHill country 2_2,  9xHill country 2_3,  5xHill country 2_5
Orange Boss Skull Bat
Lv: 14 LP: 900 GOLD: 200 EXP: 1000 
     1xHill country 2_6
Green Big Smiley Snake
Lv: 12 LP: 900 GOLD: 50 EXP: 1000 onigiri: 100.0 
     1xHill country 3_0,  1xHill country 3_1,  1xHill country 3_3,  2xHill country 3_4
Green Big Fairy Snake
Lv: 12 LP: 900 GOLD: 50 EXP: 1000 onigiri: 100.0 
     1xHill country 3_0,  1xHill country 3_2,  1xHill country 3_3,  2xHill country 3_4
Pink Skull Tree
Lv: 13 LP: 240 GOLD: 40 EXP: 100 
     5xHill country 3_1,  5xHill country 3_2,  9xHill country 3_3
White Boss Smiley Snake
Lv: 15 LP: 1100 GOLD: 200 EXP: 1000 
     1xHill country 3_4
Orange Skull Fish
Lv: 15 LP: 150 GOLD: 60 EXP: 100 Gold Medal: 0.5 
     10xLake_0,  20xLake_1,  15xLake_2,  30xLake_4,  30xLake_5,  20xLake_6
Pink Skull Tree (Lake)
Lv: 16 LP: 300 GOLD: 60 EXP: 100 Silver Medal: 1.0 
     10xLake_2,  10xLake_3,  5xLake_5,  5xLake_6,  5xLake_7
Green Smiley Fish
Lv: 17 LP: 300 GOLD: 80 EXP: 200 Bronze Medal: 1.0 
     5xLake_0,  5xLake_1,  8xLake_3,  5xLake_4,  5xLake_6,  5xLake_7
White Boss Smiley Fish
Lv: 18 LP: 3000 GOLD: 700 EXP: 1000 
     1xLake_7
Tan Skull Snake
Lv: 15 LP: 240 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 spark glove: 5.0 
     5xForest 1_1,  5xForest 1_3,  8xForest 1_4,  1xForest 1_5,  6xForest 1_6
Green Cap Mushroom
Lv: 16 LP: 260 GOLD: 80 EXP: 150 volcano: 5.0 
     3xForest 1_0,  4xForest 1_1,  5xForest 1_2,  5xForest 1_3,  15xForest 1_5,  6xForest 1_6,  10xForest 1_7
Red Skull Snake
Lv: 17 LP: 120 GOLD: 50 EXP: 150 flame sword: 5.0 
     5xForest 1_2,  5xForest 1_3,  8xForest 1_4,  1xForest 1_5,  6xForest 1_6
Green Boss Cap Mushroom
Lv: 18 LP: 1000 GOLD: 300 EXP: 1000 oct arrow: 5.0 
     3xForest 1_7
Tan Skull Bat
Lv: 16 LP: 180 GOLD: 50 EXP: 100 
     2xForest 2_0,  5xForest 2_2,  5xForest 2_4,  1xForest 2_5,  6xForest 2_6,  1xForest 2_7
Purple Cap Mushroom
Lv: 17 LP: 280 GOLD: 80 EXP: 150 
     3xForest 2_0,  4xForest 2_1,  5xForest 2_2,  5xForest 2_3,  15xForest 2_5,  6xForest 2_6,  3xForest 2_7
Red Skull Bat
Lv: 18 LP: 220 GOLD: 50 EXP: 150 
     3xForest 2_1,  5xForest 2_3,  5xForest 2_4,  1xForest 2_5,  6xForest 2_6,  1xForest 2_7
Purple Boss Cap Mushroom
Lv: 19 LP: 3500 GOLD: 800 EXP: 1000 
     1xForest 2_7
Orange Smiley Walker
Lv: 17 LP: 300 GOLD: 40 EXP: 200 
     5xCavern 1_0,  5xCavern 1_1,  5xCavern 1_2,  5xCavern 1_3,  5xCavern 1_4,  6xCavern 1_5
Green Cap Snake
Lv: 18 LP: 240 GOLD: 40 EXP: 200 
     5xCavern 1_1,  5xCavern 1_3,  5xCavern 1_4,  6xCavern 1_5
Red Cap Snake
Lv: 19 LP: 300 GOLD: 90 EXP: 200 
     5xCavern 1_2,  5xCavern 1_4,  6xCavern 1_5
White Boss Smiley Walker
Lv: 20 LP: 4400 GOLD: 700 EXP: 2000 
     1xCavern 1_6
Yellow Skull Fish
Lv: 20 LP: 77 GOLD: 777 EXP: 200 
     1xCavern 1_0,  1xCavern 1_1,  1xCavern 1_2,  1xCavern 1_3,  1xCavern 1_4,  1xCavern 1_5,

This is where it gets controversial, because it is clearly stated that the use of the source code is prohibited. I'll tag along if you all wish, but it could be dangerous to include all these on the enemy pages, in particular, the drop rates. --bewnt 12:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Drop rates have been updated since then...who knows what it is now?--(SM)

I'd like to point out, that "since then" is still less than 24 hours ago (or maybe a litte bit more, depending on when he downloaded his copy of the game file). This is when he created the data from the original game files. I don't really think that the drop rates have been updated "since then" ... ;-) --Justme2 23:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Who has to say we used source code? If we don't tell, we're good. These things are very important to users and readers, so I am for this.

I have question with the drop rates. Does, for example (oct arrow: 5.0), mean that it drops every 5 percent? --Yonder 21:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Supposedly yes. In other words, for every 100 you kill, that's the average number of drops you're going to get. --bewnt 13:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Old link doesn't work anymore: Thread about drop rates in DB Forum (originally about "Stick Range ver. 3.3"). --Justme2 12:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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So is it too late to try and separate the 'sad' and 'happy' smiley's yet?--SM (I'm back!)

Well, it's never to late. But we didn't do it because of the names. It would make them far more complicated. Or do you have any suggestion how to do it? Also most people don't notice the difference while playing. --Justme2 14:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Enemy colo(u)rs[]

The colors of all enemies are a pixel off, e.g. Cyan Gel Snake. In the code it's #33CCFF which but in the wiki page/image and in the game it's #32CBFE. I think the repeated digits make more sense and we should mention it in the 'Enemy' page. Perhaps it's something with the IE or Firefox java runtime, can anyone with Chrome, Opera, Konqueror, Safari etc. test it?

Bildramer 13:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm using Opera. And I don't think the runtime can make a difference. It's probably more the way how Stick Ranger is coded and multiplies the color code with the raw image. For example: color has range 0 to 255 per channel. The raw image has grey values also from 0 to 255. If you take the max of both you get 255 * 255 = 65025. Now you divide by 2⁸ = 256 (which even can be done by bit shifting) instead of 255 (which would be correct), and you get 254,00390625 which is 254. And there's the error.

And this happens with other codes to. For example:
33₍₁₆₎ = 51₍₁₀₎.
51₍₁₀₎ * 255₍₁₀₎ / 256₍₁₀₎ = 50,80078125₍₁₀₎.
50₍₁₀₎ = 32₍₁₆₎

I don't know if we should give the original value on the single enemy pages. The wrong is the one which can be observed. But you are right. We should mention it at the enemy article.--Justme2 22:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Color names[]

regular colors[]

r:0 g:0 b:0 -	r:51 g:0 b:0 -	r:102 g:0 b:0 -	r:153 g:0 b:0 Red	r:204 g:0 b:0 Red	r:255 g:0 b:0 Red
r:0 g:51 b:0 -	r:51 g:51 b:0 -	r:102 g:51 b:0 -	r:153 g:51 b:0 -	r:204 g:51 b:0 Red	r:255 g:51 b:0 -
r:0 g:102 b:0 -	r:51 g:102 b:0 Green	r:102 g:102 b:0 -	r:153 g:102 b:0 Brown	r:204 g:102 b:0 Brown / Orange	r:255 g:102 b:0 Orange
r:0 g:153 b:0 -	r:51 g:153 b:0 -	r:102 g:153 b:0 Green	r:153 g:153 b:0 -	r:204 g:153 b:0 Orange	r:255 g:153 b:0 -
r:0 g:204 b:0 -	r:51 g:204 b:0 -	r:102 g:204 b:0 -	r:153 g:204 b:0 Green	r:204 g:204 b:0 -	r:255 g:204 b:0 -
r:0 g:255 b:0 -	r:51 g:255 b:0 -	r:102 g:255 b:0 -	r:153 g:255 b:0 -	r:204 g:255 b:0 -	r:255 g:255 b:0 Yellow

r:0 g:0 b:51 -	r:51 g:0 b:51 -	r:102 g:0 b:51 -	r:153 g:0 b:51 -	r:204 g:0 b:51 -	r:255 g:0 b:51 -
r:0 g:51 b:51 -	r:51 g:51 b:51 -	r:102 g:51 b:51 -	r:153 g:51 b:51 -	r:204 g:51 b:51 Red	r:255 g:51 b:51 -
r:0 g:102 b:51 -	r:51 g:102 b:51 -	r:102 g:102 b:51 -	r:153 g:102 b:51 -	r:204 g:102 b:51 -	r:255 g:102 b:51 -
r:0 g:153 b:51 -	r:51 g:153 b:51 Green	r:102 g:153 b:51 Green	r:153 g:153 b:51 -	r:204 g:153 b:51 Tan / Orange	r:255 g:153 b:51 -
r:0 g:204 b:51 -	r:51 g:204 b:51 Green	r:102 g:204 b:51 -	r:153 g:204 b:51 -	r:204 g:204 b:51 Yellow	r:255 g:204 b:51 -
r:0 g:255 b:51 -	r:51 g:255 b:51 -	r:102 g:255 b:51 -	r:153 g:255 b:51 Green	r:204 g:255 b:51 -	r:255 g:255 b:51 -

r:0 g:0 b:102 -	r:51 g:0 b:102 -	r:102 g:0 b:102 -	r:153 g:0 b:102 Pink	r:204 g:0 b:102 -	r:255 g:0 b:102 -
r:0 g:51 b:102 -	r:51 g:51 b:102 -	r:102 g:51 b:102 -	r:153 g:51 b:102 -	r:204 g:51 b:102 -	r:255 g:51 b:102 -
r:0 g:102 b:102 -	r:51 g:102 b:102 -	r:102 g:102 b:102 -	r:153 g:102 b:102 -	r:204 g:102 b:102 -	r:255 g:102 b:102 -
r:0 g:153 b:102 -	r:51 g:153 b:102 -	r:102 g:153 b:102 -	r:153 g:153 b:102 -	r:204 g:153 b:102 -	r:255 g:153 b:102 -
r:0 g:204 b:102 -	r:51 g:204 b:102 -	r:102 g:204 b:102 -	r:153 g:204 b:102 -	r:204 g:204 b:102 -	r:255 g:204 b:102 Tan / Yellow
r:0 g:255 b:102 -	r:51 g:255 b:102 -	r:102 g:255 b:102 -	r:153 g:255 b:102 -	r:204 g:255 b:102 Green	r:255 g:255 b:102 -

r:0 g:0 b:153 -	r:51 g:0 b:153 -	r:102 g:0 b:153 Purple	r:153 g:0 b:153 -	r:204 g:0 b:153 -	r:255 g:0 b:153 Pink
r:0 g:51 b:153 -	r:51 g:51 b:153 -	r:102 g:51 b:153 -	r:153 g:51 b:153 -	r:204 g:51 b:153 -	r:255 g:51 b:153 -
r:0 g:102 b:153 -	r:51 g:102 b:153 -	r:102 g:102 b:153 -	r:153 g:102 b:153 -	r:204 g:102 b:153 -	r:255 g:102 b:153 -
r:0 g:153 b:153 -	r:51 g:153 b:153 -	r:102 g:153 b:153 -	r:153 g:153 b:153 -	r:204 g:153 b:153 -	r:255 g:153 b:153 -
r:0 g:204 b:153 -	r:51 g:204 b:153 -	r:102 g:204 b:153 -	r:153 g:204 b:153 -	r:204 g:204 b:153 -	r:255 g:204 b:153 White
r:0 g:255 b:153 -	r:51 g:255 b:153 -	r:102 g:255 b:153 -	r:153 g:255 b:153 -	r:204 g:255 b:153 -	r:255 g:255 b:153 -

r:0 g:0 b:204 -	r:51 g:0 b:204 -	r:102 g:0 b:204 -	r:153 g:0 b:204 -	r:204 g:0 b:204 Pink	r:255 g:0 b:204 Pink
r:0 g:51 b:204 -	r:51 g:51 b:204 -	r:102 g:51 b:204 -	r:153 g:51 b:204 -	r:204 g:51 b:204 -	r:255 g:51 b:204 -
r:0 g:102 b:204 -	r:51 g:102 b:204 -	r:102 g:102 b:204 Blue	r:153 g:102 b:204 Purple	r:204 g:102 b:204 -	r:255 g:102 b:204 -
r:0 g:153 b:204 -	r:51 g:153 b:204 -	r:102 g:153 b:204 -	r:153 g:153 b:204 -	r:204 g:153 b:204 -	r:255 g:153 b:204 -
r:0 g:204 b:204 -	r:51 g:204 b:204 -	r:102 g:204 b:204 -	r:153 g:204 b:204 -	r:204 g:204 b:204 White	r:255 g:204 b:204 -
r:0 g:255 b:204 -	r:51 g:255 b:204 -	r:102 g:255 b:204 -	r:153 g:255 b:204 -	r:204 g:255 b:204 -	r:255 g:255 b:204 -

r:0 g:0 b:255 Blue	r:51 g:0 b:255 -	r:102 g:0 b:255 Blue	r:153 g:0 b:255 -	r:204 g:0 b:255 Purple	r:255 g:0 b:255 Pink
r:0 g:51 b:255 -	r:51 g:51 b:255 -	r:102 g:51 b:255 -	r:153 g:51 b:255 -	r:204 g:51 b:255 -	r:255 g:51 b:255 -
r:0 g:102 b:255 -	r:51 g:102 b:255 -	r:102 g:102 b:255 -	r:153 g:102 b:255 -	r:204 g:102 b:255 -	r:255 g:102 b:255 -
r:0 g:153 b:255 -	r:51 g:153 b:255 Blue	r:102 g:153 b:255 -	r:153 g:153 b:255 -	r:204 g:153 b:255 -	r:255 g:153 b:255 -
r:0 g:204 b:255 -	r:51 g:204 b:255 Blue	r:102 g:204 b:255 -	r:153 g:204 b:255 -	r:204 g:204 b:255 White	r:255 g:204 b:255 Pink
r:0 g:255 b:255 Blue	r:51 g:255 b:255 -	r:102 g:255 b:255 -	r:153 g:255 b:255 -	r:204 g:255 b:255 -	r:255 g:255 b:255 White

exceptional colors[]

r:127
g:127
b:127
Grey

r:51
g:170
b:51
Green

r:238
g:153
b:51
Orange

Position of the irregular orange between two regular colors:

r:204
g:153
b:51
Tan / Orange

r:238
g:153
b:51
Orange

r:255
g:153
b:51
-

List of colors with the same name[]

Red[]

r:153
g:0
b:0
Red

r:204
g:0
b:0
Red

r:255
g:0
b:0
Red

r:204
g:51
b:0
Red

r:204
g:51
b:51
Red

Green[]

r:51
g:102
b:0
Green

r:102
g:153
b:0
Green

r:153
g:204
b:0
Green

r:51
g:153
b:51
Green

r:102
g:153
b:51
Green

r:51
g:204
b:51
Green

r:153
g:255
b:51
Green

r:204
g:255
b:102
Green

r:51
g:170
b:51
Green

Brown[]

r:153
g:102
b:0
Brown

r:204
g:102
b:0
Brown

Orange[]

r:204
g:102
b:0
Orange

r:255
g:102
b:0
Orange

r:204
g:153
b:0
Orange

r:204
g:153
b:51
Orange

r:238
g:153
b:51
Orange

Yellow[]

r:255
g:255
b:0
Yellow

r:204
g:204
b:51
Yellow

r:255
g:204
b:102
Yellow

Tan[]

r:204
g:153
b:51
Tan

r:255
g:204
b:102
Tan

Pink[]

r:153
g:0
b:102
Pink

r:255
g:0
b:153
Pink

r:204
g:0
b:204
Pink

r:255
g:0
b:204
Pink

r:255
g:0
b:255
Pink

r:255
g:204
b:255
Pink

Purple[]

r:102
g:0
b:153
Purple

r:153
g:102
b:204
Purple

r:204
g:0
b:255
Purple

White[]

r:255
g:204
b:153
White

r:204
g:204
b:204
White

r:204
g:204
b:255
White

r:255
g:255
b:255
White

Blue[]

r:102
g:102
b:204
Blue

r:0
g:0
b:255
Blue

r:102
g:0
b:255
Blue

r:51
g:153
b:255
Blue

r:51
g:204
b:255
Blue

r:0
g:255
b:255
Blue

Grey[]

r:127
g:127
b:127
Grey

Comments[]

I have created this overview to show problems with the color names. The tables above show all enemies colors which have been used in Stick Ranger (if I didn't forget some). The names are the names which we gave to the enemies.

As you can see some color codes located in the Tan and Orange area have two names (see Brown/Orange and Tan/Orange and Tan/Yellow). Questionable is also the White Skull Bat (Grassland 2) with rgb:255,204,153 in contrast to rgb:255,204,255 which is the Pink Roundhead Eel.

Maybe we should try to improve our color names and make them more consistant. --Justme2 17:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Making a name system for all those colors would take a while. Some considerations:

Naming every single shade
Having 4 4x4 Hue x Value tables (with different Saturation each) on a page ("Color Tables" or "Enemy Colors") and name enemies based on the nearest color
The same as 2 with 5 5x5, 6 6x6... tables
The same as 2 or 3 with RGB
Naming them 65536*R + 256*G + B (Grey -> 8355711 :D)
Adding the stage name (like GL6, GL1, Fo2) to each enemy and naming them only Cyan, Black, Red etc. - simple colors
Taking some standard colors (like for every R,G,B 0, 64, 128, 192, 255, they would be 125) and adding the RGB error (144 0 16 would be like "Dark Red R+16B+16")
The same as 7 with HSV
Making polls in the comments board about the color ("Shitty Brown" would be a problem)

Bildramer 12:46, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should build a naming system for all colors. As you can see from the 6x6x6 tables most combinations are not used. We should mainly focus on not giving the same color value two different names (which we unfortunately already did a few times). And we should try to keep names simple. --Justme2 13:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Drop rate calculation[]

Details:
From the decompiled source code, rewritten for readability: if(dropItemID != 0 && (float)Math.random * (float)dropItemRarity * 10 < (float)dropRate)
For reference, dropRate is after the rate modification calculation has been applied.
For example, the Green Boss Skull Snake of Grassland 1 can drop a Thunder Glove (rarity 10) and/or a Quick's Card (rarity 100). Let's plug that into the math: (the Thunder Glove's item ID is 11, whereas the Quick Card's ID is 39. The base drop rate is 10.)
if(11 != 0 && (float)Math.random * 10 * 10 < 10)
if(39 != 0 && (float)Math.random * 100 * 10 < 10)
If you know anything at all about Java, you'll know that (float)Math.random returns a value between 0 and 1. For example, let's say it spits out 0.1. Do the math, and you'll find that the Thunder Gloves will drop, but the Quick's Card won't. In fact, the highest value at which a Quick's Card will be dropped is 0.009999. Rounded, this is a 1% chance of getting the Quick's Card 1. The highest value at which a Thunder Glove will be dropped is 0.099999, which rounds to a 10% chance of getting a Thunder Glove. So if you've got a copy of the enemy tables sitting in front of you, you can figure out the drop rate for a certain item easily.
To calculate for an adjusted drop rate, add 1 to dropRate for each level 1 drop rate adjusting item (Bronze Medal for items, Silver Medal for Onigiri), and 2 for each level 2 drop rate adjusting item that is equipped on your party's active weapons. This means the highest drop rate limiter is 18, requiring (for example) a number of 0.179999, or a 18% rate of obtaining the Thunder Glove, and a number of 0.017999, or a 1.8% chance of getting a Quick's Card 1 from the Green Boss Skull Snake.
Oh, and the drop rate for a Gold piece is 33%, and for Onigiri the base rate is 20%.
Also, apologies for the wall of text. --64.5.15.112 00:55, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Matches the pseudo code which somebody showed me for the Onigiri drops. Well to sum it up:

dropRateItem = (1 / dropItemRarity)

effectiveDropRate = dropRateItem * (1 + summedUpDropRateBonusFromMedalsInPercent/100)

Did I get this right?

Is it easy to find the tables with the rarity values? --Justme2 08:01, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'd use the sum of the levels of the Bronze Medals the party has equipped at the moment divided by 10, but that's about right.
Also, the tables with the rarity values are, as I stated over at Template talk:SR drop rate, is simply the enemy table (item drop rates are determined by the monster that carries them, not by the item itself). --GreyMario 19:42, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Enemy pics[]

I noticed that several enemy png's look kind of "squeezed", for example File:White Boss Smiley Fish.png with the remark (Book version with blue background.). But it doesn't look right... Reverse? --Majorlee 09:35, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I checked that by paint, and both the head and the square are congruent. So they are probably the same. Ivan247 08:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

really? that's odd because paint tells me that the older pic is 120*64 and the newer one 120*96. --Majorlee 09:17, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Table[]

as there are now more species than heads i think it would be better to "turn" the table, what do you think? it's not "necessary", but could turn out a little bit more convenient... just a thought.--Majorlee 14:27, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Head

Smiley
(sad)

Smiley
(happy)

X

Cap

Gel

Snakes

Bats

Dragons

Trees

Wheels

Fish

Stickmen

Mushroom

Eel

Spider

I myself don't mind doing so. --Yonder 18:07, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I just changed the article so you can tell the diffrence between Tired and normal Boxes but I can't figure out how to put the 2 enemys its missing in. Can somebody put them in please. Doctorseaweed 23:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Edit:I fixed it now. I just can't figure out how to get the grids on the Box tiered section Doctorseaweed 03:44, April 18, 2010 (UTC) Now i can't figure out how to get actus and diamonds in the grid, could somebody do it for me. Doctorseaweed 16:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Enemy Strengths and Weaknesses: Actual Stats[]

Should we include the actual stats for the Enemy Strengths and Weaknesses, like Phy. strength: AT -50? I think they can help some users out. Ivan247 12:07, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, It would be good. SR123 12:24, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

It would be cool (i was thinking about that before i saw this, but anyway...) i will start a table on my profile. Samuel17 21:12, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds Great!, but it would take a while to find all of that information. ZX (Talk) 00:09, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

New enemy template system.[]

I very dont know why the enmy template dont show Range.The poisoner 16:56, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas for ennemies pages[]

Do you think we should add an animated GIF of the enemy attacking a character. It would be cool (really...). Samuel17 03:41, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Range of enemy attacks[]

Looks like I've found the actual range of enemies from the source code (SC FTW!). Should we add them to the enemy pages? Ivan247 14:51, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Although there's just 1 problem: The Mega-Bosses. They have 2 ATs and I can only find the range of 1 of them (For the Castle Boss, The Two-Arrow. For the Pyramid Boss, the flames. Didn't check the SSh Boss yet). Though it should be easy by capturing the moment that the other AT is executed, and draw a horizontal line. Ivan247 15:02, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes!I agree.I have arealdly this idea!For problem, simply make a other column. 15:30, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

I sugest also AGI for enemy attack. 15:38, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hurry! Edit the template and add them!

New color[]

They is for color(dont counfound turqoise with blue or green).

19:45, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Or not... ZX (Talk) 19:46, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

They not noob.They great! 19:48, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Another Stat?[]

What about AGI? Every enemy has a certain time between attacks when the stickman is in range. Its probably in the source code somewhere anyway. ZX (Talk) 19:56, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Do you stoled me or somewhat?I arealdly sugested them. 20:13, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

He probably did not saw your suggestion. Anyway... it would be really cool, but i will be SUPERDUPEREXTREMELYEXTRAREALLY (lol, i dont know, but i think it will be SDEER) hard. Samuel17 21:06, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Im also thinking about putting a picture of the enemy attacking a character: like a Green Smiley Tree attacking a character. Samuel17 21:19, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

About the table[]

Some border the the table is white ( under the walkers and at the bottom ), but I don't know what's wrong in the coding... Yathimc 10:48, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Extra Onigiri Problem: Revisited[]

Reading the enemy pages and I thought of this: Currently enemies which drop more than 1 Onigiri have their drops marked as 1 Onigiri 20% (for the 20% drop common to all enemies), 1 Onigiri (whatever percentage) (for the extra onigiri). However I think that there might be some confusion:

The chance of the 20% common onigiri drop is increased by Silver Medals and the chance of extra Onigiri drop is actually increased by Bronze Medals. Writing them together like this might cause confusion.
This description method is only used on enemies which drop more than one Onigiri. On other enemies there was no mentioning of Onigiri drops. Does that mean all other enemies will not drop Onigiris? No, but this is another point of ambiguity.

Therefore I propose to change the description to "Extra Onigiri (100% or whatever percentage it is)" while we add the description of common gold and onigiri drops to the drop section like how we have a description for the expected AGI section. Are there anyone willing to give your opinions on this? Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 06:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to see how that would turn out on one enemy page, to be fair.

Omega16 (Talk) 06:12, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

It will be something like the Green Big Smiley Walker subsection made below. The "Drop:" word will be highlighted like the "Expected AGI" one and gives description of Gold and Onigiri drops for all enemies. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 06:16, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Stats[]

Green Big Smiley Walker

statistics
Location:	Hill Country 1
LP:	900
AT:	10-20
Minimum AGI:	50
Expected AGI:	81.03
Range:	40
Strength:	none
Weakness:	none
LV:	10
EXP:	1000
Gold ($):	30
Drops:	1 Extra Onigiri (100%) Poison Charm 1 (5%)

characteristics
Species:	Walker
Head:	Smiley
Attack:
Head colour:	#659800
Body colour:	#996633
Movement:	walking

I agree. Technically, the extra Onigiri is a drop from an enemy, unlike the original Onigiri (that all enemies have), but the wiki currently does not say this (or at least, on the enemy pages). However, "1 Extra Onigiri", in my opinion, sounds like the extra Onigiri appears if and only if the original Onigiri drops along with it. How can it be worded to fix this? "Separate Onigiri as drop"? ______T Σ C 07:11, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

You've got a point. I guess we should also brainstorm a way to say that. I thought of "Independent Onigiri" (because the chances are independent) and "Second Onigiri" (because it is indeed a second one) but both doesn't really sound that right. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 08:01, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Bump. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 15:03, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

What if we invented a name for the second Onigiri for this purpose, like "Drop Onigiri"? ______T Σ C 16:30, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I think we better give a description if we are inventing new terms. Maybe we make the "Drop" word show the definition of the Drop Onigiri? Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 17:49, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

EDIT: I mean something like this: Drop Onigiri (50%). Of course, the description I made now is an example. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 17:53, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can we instead do something like this? Onigiri (50%) ______T Σ C 20:39, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

That should also be OK. I'm not sure if that will make some people miss the link though... I think we should ask more users to pay attention to this. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 03:24, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

...Onigiri (50%)? ______T Σ C 06:14, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

...Much better. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 06:43, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

This will work, Sigma. Let's start changing the enemy pages.

Omega16 (Talk) 16:43, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Should we also discard the Onigiri drop rate in the pages of all stages where enemies with onigiris as their drops exist? Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 17:29, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Discard it and say "(20%)" after the second "drop" in the <span> title to fix that. ______T Σ C 19:39, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Oh wait, never mind. Maybe, if you want to use the same drop format for the dropped Onigiris as on enemy pages. But doing that would probably require the drop rate for every item for every enemy in every stage. Not that it wouldn't be helpful, but it's just a big task. ______T Σ C 20:19, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Enemy Naming System[]

For the longest time, some of the enemies' names have sounded awkward when said out loud and don't really roll off the tongue properly. I discovered that the reason many of them don't seem right is that we're not following the typical order of adjectives in the English language.

The current naming system goes: Color, Size (or Boss, if applicable), Head, Species

When the typical rules would dictate: Size, Color, Head, Species

"Big Green Cap Mushroom" sounds a little better than "Green Big Cap Mushroom," at least in my opinion. Obviously going and changing every instance of enemies with "big" or "boss" in their name would be a hassle, and might not be worth making the change. I just wanted to share my thoughts. ^{^Talk} 17:50, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

The long awaited discussion[]

This affects several enemies, so I'm putting this here: As you know the Sub-Castle Boss and the White Boss Skull Stickman (in HG) have similar head colour and both reside just before a castle-megaboss. Long time ago, because of the positioning, and also the fact that the Sub-Castle Boss uses a weakned version of the Castle Boss's two arrow attack, it got the special, naming rule defying "Sub-Castle Boss" name. Now we have the White Boss Skull Stickman and the Hell Castle Boss. Should we:

Rename Sub-Castle Boss as White Boss Skull Stickman (CG)? or
Rename White Boss Skull Stickman as Sub-Hell Castle Boss?

Please cast your vote on the two options, hopefully backed by your reason on selecting the option. New suggestions/general non-vote stuff should be posted as an continuation of this post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan247 (talk • contribs)

Oops, forgot to sign. Anyway, the deadline for this vote is on Halloween. 23:00, UTC+8 to be precise. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 10:54, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Although I've already cast my vote, I'm just gonna throw something out there; there's no need to rename either of them if we see no need to. By my understanding, Sub-Castle Boss (which by the way has always been Sub-Castle Boss to me personally) got it's name partly because it directly uses a lesser version of one of the Castle Boss's attacks. (WBSS/Sub-Hell Boss) does not use an attack that could qualify as a lesser version of any of the Hell Castle Boss's attacks possibly unless you take a stretch and call it a lesser fusion of the ice attack and physical attack that took on the physical type. While I do call that a stretch, I put my vote where I put it partly because I want the two "Gate" bosses to have some kind of naming parallel between each other. Regardless, I can understand not wanting to rename the Hell Gate boss to "Sub-Hell Boss", and I really don't want Sub-Castle Boss to suddenly be renamed now for any reason. So therefore, request for option 3; "leave both names as is". RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 18:26, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

@Cazaam The way I was acting a few years ago is embarrassing to look back on now, but if you must know; I did actually try to get Orbs renamed to "Magic" (which even in plural form is still "Magic" like how the plural of "sheep" is "sheep") some time ago: read here. I honestly still think it's quite a bit of a mismatch with the way the other classes' weapons are named, but I'm well aware that I'm alone on that. RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 00:06, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Ehh. I'm kind of indifferent on the whole Magic/Orb thing. I might not have been once upon a time, but now... Eh. I'm just thinking replacing every instance of "Orb" with "Magic" will be a pain. ~~also what is this fan-ball family reunion~~ DMSwordsmaster ^Talk _{Contributions}

19:06, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Come to think of it, isn't "Ice Orb Orb" and "Thunder Orb Orb" kind of silly-sounding compared to "Ice Orb Magic" and "Thunder Orb Magic"? Just a random thought xD I guess I can sort of see your argument though... I don't exactly have any half-baked counter-argument to that one >.> I'll have to look into just how much work it would theoretically be to implement to see whether or not it would really be worth the effort if I were to get clearance from the community at some point. RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 03:11, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. For crying out loud. I'm a lone nut once again, aren't I? Is someone going to join me, or is my luck with votes getting set up to become the butt of a running joke...? >.> xD RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 03:11, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

OK. Looks like Option 1 is where we are going. ~~And yes, you seem to have that kind of luck, RDB.~~ However, as a preventive measure of the possible disruption, Sub-Castle Boss will be maintained as a redirect page to the new White Boss Skull Stickman (CG). Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 15:05, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Vote[]

THIS VOTE IS CLOSED. DO NOT ADD MORE VOTES INTO THIS SECTION AND ITS SUBSECTIONS. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 15:05, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Option 1: Rename Sub-Castle Boss as White Boss Skull Stickman (CG)[]

Vote 1: The Castle Gate boss is not a mega boss and should therefore follow the naming convention of all other bosses in the game. No reason for it to be different. Also rename 'Orbs' to 'Magics', why? Because it's funny. Cazaam (talk) 09:39, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah... He's not really unique anymore. Never really was, anyways. DMSwordsmaster ^Talk _{Contributions} 17:13, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
The Castle Gate boss is not a megaboss and thus is logically not exempt from the naming system that every other boss follows. There is not nor was there ever any reason for this boss to be named differently other than the fact that it resembles the Castle boss, which is, as of the addition of Hell Gate, is no longer a unique trait anyway. ^{^Talk} 04:39, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
Reasons. ~~JUST looked at my last argument, and uh...I change my mind.~~ ______T Σ C 06:23, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah. Not a megaboss, even if the stage does have a different name trend. Yellow Boss Box Eel didn't get the same treatment with "Oasis Boss" (unless it did at some point and we changed it? Iunno) - Ludi's signature isn't compatible on this site so here's a placeholder 17:54, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
I'll sixth that. The enemy currently known as Sub-Castle boss has no real significance beyond being the boss of the stage preceding a megaboss, and I figure that's a bit of a dubious reason to give it a unique name for. My signature is likewise incompatible with this wiki 18:58, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Option 2: Rename White Boss Skull Stickman as Sub-Hell Castle Boss[]

"Sub-Hell Boss"; omit the word "Castle". Makes it too lengthy. At any rate, I think it makes far more sense to rename the enemy that was only recently added than the enemy that's been there and had the name it's had since practically the frickin' dawn of Stick Ranger xD I mean this is within point blank to the same logic that was used to keep "Orbs" as Orbs instead of renaming them to "Magic" so I'll have no idea what this wiki's logic is if I'm a lone nut yet again >.> RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 17:47, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Option 3: Leave both names as is[]

More Colour Discussions[]

Based on discovery by HankGuideDude, we actually have another colour clashing: #CC00FF SAMPLE TEXT. This head colour is currently being used by the Purple Skull Bat in Cavern 2 and the Pink Gel Tree in Snowfield 3. For your information the HSV value of #CC00FF is (288,100,100).

Please vote on the naming of this colour and the pages will be fixed based on the results. The vote shall end in 1 week from the posting date of this discussion. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 12:58, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

PS. A list of all enemy head colours are available in User:HankGuideDude/Starbox. If you think there are other controversial colours feel free to raise the issue.

Closing the discussion with purple winning in this battle. I might start a new discussion regarding other colour-based stuff though. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 14:28, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

Addendum: The Pink colour is really troublesome though. I just did a quick google image search with "Pink colour" and the first 3 rows of pink has hues ranging from 310-360. In our enemy system pink colours have hues from 270-360 which is a quarter of the colour circle. I will do a bit more research into it and probably have a discussion on that. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 14:38, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

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Purple[]

To my way of thinking; purple is between blue and magenta (#0000FF and #FF00FF), while pink is primarily red but lighter (assuming R value were fixed at max; between #FF0101 and #FFFEFE if going to the logical extremes, probably more like #FF3333 and #FFCCCC if staying within reason). RadiantDarkBlaze (talk) 17:30, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
Gonna have to go with purple due to it having more blue than red - especially when compared to the other similar colors in said Starbox. [§]HankGuideDude [6 9] 19:42, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
Hi ho. Similar reasons as above. DMSwordsmaster ^Talk _{Contributions} 08:35, May 18, 2019 (UTC)
Pink would certainly have strong red with relatively equal green and blue, and considering this color has more blue than red as HankGuideDude said and 0 green, it has to be more purple than pink. Not to mention that it looks purple to me. The reason the "Pink" Gel Tree got its name was probably because we only had four pixels to look at. ______T Σ C 18:54, May 18, 2019 (UTC)

Pink[]

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Even more colour controversy[]

I think we need a more clear cut on how we differentiate "Pink" and "Purple", because we literally have pink enemies whose colour spans for a quarter of our colour wheel from Hue 270 to 360. My personal thought is that anything before hue 300 will be purple (like Purple Gel Tree in SF3) and anything after hue 300 remain as pink. For hues dead on 300, it will be kept as current unless a clash is found. Ivan247 Talk Page Contributions 16:43, July 18, 2019 (UTC)

This is literally the issue that will never die. Yeah, I agree. DMSwordsmaster ^Talk _{Contributions}

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